All this online pugilism between Christians of different stripes! All these forum fencing-matches about free will and predestination and law and grace and evolution and intelligent design and miracles! All these arguments that might never have arisen if the Good Lord had produced for us a clearer bible, one that really spelled things out! A catechism, rather than a collection of stories, poems, genealogies, aphorisms...
Why are we so often angry at each other and so seldom irked at God?
Here's something to think about next time you see an online argument between a Christian who believes in miracles and one who believes that miracles belonged to the time of the apostles (ie a cessationist):
The cessationist has at some point prayed really, really hard for a miracle - and got diddly squat. The cessationist is some guy whose cancer didn't go away, or whose daughter died, or whose wife left, you name it. And instead of hating God, our cessationist friend has changed theological positions to make room for a God who didn't come through for him in any clear way.
Want to tell him to believe in miracles? Good luck! But don't rant hatefully at him - he may not be the dogmatist you think he is.
In every theological argument, you'll find at least two people who are trying so damned hard to be charitable towards God that they sometimes forget to be charitable towards each other. But God is sturdy enough to take human anger on the chin. Humans, on the other hand, break.
That person who believes in election? The person who believes in free will? Scrapping like hoods on some internet discussion board? God could have spoken decisively on this issue, and God didn't. Or maybe God did speak, through the Church of Rome - in which case, God should have done a whole lot more to preserve the unity of the church. And don't tell me that the bible is clear on these issues. There are very brainy and very holy people on both sides of every controversy.
By all means adopt the atheist solution to the problem and deny that God exists. But if you're averse to that move, let's not despise each other over issues on which God has not spoken loudly enough. We're in the same boat.
One thing binds us all together: we live in a more or less silent universe. Let's admit it! It's probably more silent than religious people say it is, and less silent than atheists say it is: but it is a universe in which someone can cry out to an invisible God and not receive any reply. It's a universe in which someone else always seems to be experiencing the miracles, and in which cries of 'It's a miracle!' sometimes seem obscene in the face of so many unanswered prayers. As Sheri put it recently on her blog, 'Do you really believe the Sudanese don't pray?'
In the face of this divine silence, we can never be anything more than co-seekers, and this should give us solidarity.
This seekers' solidarity should be the basis of every discussion about doctrine. Moreover, it should be the basis of our communion with each other. We should always be willing to at least imagine what might crouch behind the arras of a person's theological position, the stories behind the convictions. We should declare at the beginning of each exchange: We are on the same side. Let's end this exchange having gained an even greater sense of solidarity, irrespective of whether we move closer to an actual agreement. It's worth a try, isn't it?
Maybe if we achieved real solidarity in the face of God's silence, we'd discover that the possiblity of creating solidarity is why God opted to refuse to arbitrate on so many issues in the first place.
Maybe God's silence is a necessary condition of human solidarity. Maybe the compassion we might feel towards our fellow seekers is the thing that we, as seekers, are supposed to find.
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I still believe, however, on the basic unity and clearness of the Biblical narrative - the perscuity of scripture shouldn't take the hit because people don't like what they read and try to sidestep or subvert what is clearly written (after all, the word "election" is biblical, and it means exactly what you might think it would mean). The human heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it? Take a look at what American Christians did to a 2000 year old writing about the sovereign monarchy of the Kingdom of God with Christ as King: after they revolted from George III they reworked Christianity into a republic where each individual chose their Savior... Revival, anyone?
Anyway... i no longer identify Christianity doctrinally, but narratively instead... I think that Creedal Christianity has room for differing doctrinal dialogs (as long as they are not heterodox) while giving each camp an opportunity to express unity and solidarity with their brothers and sisters in the Faith.
Great post Nick.
In an attempt not to write a dissertation, i will narrow my position to predestination and election to one word: perspective.
Everyone trying to argue from God's perspective is a fool, anyone arguing from a purely human view point is trapped by the limits of human logic. Contrary to popular belief, man is not the measure of all things... Thus, after years of reading, arguing, and praying i have come up only with this, which i may have shared with you, Nick, before: On this side of eternity the sign over the entrance to the kingdom of heaven reads, "Whosoever will, come." This is our primary proclamation: if election is true, then its God doing it, and He isn't burning an X on everyone's forehead so we can know. However -- as we enter into this kingdom, and after we pass over that last river, we'll look back and see the words on the other side of that narrow gate and read, "You didn't choose me, i chose you." Just a matter of perspective.
The analogy breaks down, of course, but you get the gist. Not bad for all the years of figuring i put in, huh? What can i say, my dear Mother always did say i was too smart for my own good.
Good old spell cheek. Smell chuck. Sell chick. Agh!
I'm 100% with you on the perspective thing and the two signs over the door. I'm essentially a Lutheran without a church; mystery and paradox are fine by me. Mystery, paradox and beer. But I've seen people take this line on Calvinist discussion boards, only to be met with strident accusations that it's a slippery slope to Arminianism and therefore synergism. Ay ay ay...
Wow...well said, Nick. I am humbled and convicted. It is so difficult to repress the inate human longing to be right, isn't it? I feel it well up in me whenever I am confronted by a Reformist or a Dispensationalist...I think it's the "isms" that are a big turn off to me.
When I was in college, a very wise professor introduced me to the idea of an Exegitical Theology...one that truly allows the Bible to interpret itself. This is actuallty a core value of Refomist Theology ("sola scriptura") but without the artificial imposition of human presupposition. For example, the Calvinist imposes the presupposition that the entirety of scripture must be interpreted in light of election; the Dispensationalist imposes the presupposition that the entirety of scripture must be interpreted in light of an understanding of historical divisions; Joel Osteen (he's the closest thing to a living "ism" we have in the US)imposes the presupposition that the entirety of scripture must be interpreted in light of promises regarding prosperity. Each of these "isms" has it's antithesis: Armenianism, Pentecostalism, Liberation Theology...
What if scripture regarding election and free will are handled with equal emphasis? Historical epochs and the unchanging grace of God? Prosperity and adversity? All of this truth in tension? It does lead us back to the creeds of the early church fathers (who were much more interested in defining what unites us rather than what seperates us).
This wise professor told us that truth was like a road in West Texas...narrow, straight and lined with ditches on both sides. The wise man steers a staight course on the road, midfull of the truths in tension. It doesn't matter which ditch you're in if your in a ditch.
Unfortunately, my tendency to be confrontational (pride?) generally ends with me getting shot in the butt from both ditches.
Thanks for the reminder.
Blessings.
Can I have mystery, paradox and tequila?
Such good points.. I imagine that people's preconceptions were their biggest barrier to connecting with Jesus 2000 years ago. If Osteen is a living ism (ha!), Jesus was a walking collection of paradoxes - and subsequent generations have tried to solve the paradoxes by cutting off one of the horns. I like the idea of the exegetical theology that accepts the bible's tensions and doesn't view them through lenses - will have to get hold of that book you recommended a while back.
I can read it when I've finally finished Middlemarch. Ie 2012.
"Tequila with your paradox, sir?"
Mind those ditches!
Here we disagree. God speaks more loudly through the wonders and laws of the universe than most people are aware. The problem is that most people either aren't listening or only hear what they want to (i.e., that it is all only 6,000 years old).
Reminds me of being a kid. After I was about ten or so, my mom started telling us to work things out for ourselves when we would fight only stepping in to stop outright bloodshed or breakage of valuables.
John
On the one hand, the problem, of course, is that the documents (The Christian Scriptures) are indeed 2000 years old. TWO THOUSAND YEARS. I took several courses here at the University with Professor Carlin Barton, an unbelievable gifted scholar of the ancient Romans. It has taken her most of her life to even begin to understand a vanished people's thoughts articulated in a dead language -- the Romans did not think like like we do, and neither did the actors and writers of these Scriptures. Christianity has a designed by God weak spot: the person who is engaged in the foolishness of proclaiming the narrative of Christ. The fragility of this person's position is alarming -- he can be neither a country bumpkin preaching the Scriptures as if they were new with no past or an intellectual isolated in an academic ivory tower.
On the other hand, the narrative is a simple one, seemingly hardwired into human experience, Lewis's "true myth" thesis, that transcends time, culture, gender, ethnicity, and even class. Hell, one of my earliest memories has to do with understanding that Christ loved me and gave Himself for me.
For myself, subjectively, any understanding of a coherent Christian theology begins in the book of Ecclesiastes. Augustine had an interesting idea in writing his City of God... Conversion begins with a person's unique "dark night of the soul," the realization that their feet are firmly planted in mid-air, that the City of Man has, at its heart, vanity and madness.
I am also a Lutheran without a Church, or an NT Wright Anglican -- love those 39 Articles...
A conservative is a liberal who just got mugged. A liberal is a conservative who just got arrested.
Fab. And a postmodernist?
God speaks more loudly through the wonders and laws of the universe than most people are aware
I have problems with this idea of God speaking 'through' things, as though the things are his mouth. Does that count as speaking? It seems to me that it's ventriloquism at best...
Heavens, that's given me a lot to think about. any understanding of a coherent Christian theology begins in the book of Ecclesiastes
Yes! I had that exact 'revelation' too, after spending some time wondering why such a gloomy piece of pessimism was in the bible.
one of my earliest memories has to do with understanding that Christ loved me and gave Himself for me
My mum says I used to harp on about God since I could speak... I think this is why Christians have such a problem trying to explain our beliefs - we try to explain the rationale we've attached to powerful basic intuitions. I've realised quite late that my own belief system is virtually indefensible - and yet I can't see anyone arguing me out of it, because it's deeper than just a set of propositions.
Admittedly, read literally, the message appears to be "Life is dark, empty, and cold [2]". But then, I've never been much of a literalist...
John
[1] Art (good art) does have a message (yes, even the modern stuff). The problem is that many artists mumble.
[2] Technically, space has no temperature; however, left in space, you would radiate energy away until you hit black body temprature, which is about 3 degrees above absolute zero for the universe as a whole.
You said, "However -- as we enter into this kingdom, and after we pass over that last river, we'll look back and see the words on the other side of that narrow gate and read, "You didn't choose me, i chose you." Just a matter of perspective"
I believe I heard this analogy years ago by J. Vernon Mcgee.
timmyjohn said, "What if scripture regarding election and free will are handled with equal emphasis? "
The Bible teaches both and we cannot hope to completely understand it - but certainly we can take His Word for it whenever we come upon a passage without trying to fit it into our own little systematic box, or the box someone else has built.
I truly believe the Bible can stand alone, and is understandable when we read the whole of it with the assistance of the indwelling Holy Spirit which we receive when we place our faith in Him.
someone who just ate the Alice B Toklas brownies...: sod 'incredulity about metanarratives' - that's probably the most brilliant nutshell description of the postmodernist that I've ever seen. Will take me a while to unpack all of its implications, though.
I'm looking forward to the textbook - if it's as illuminating as your comments, I think I'm in for a treat. But re God speaking through the medium of the universe... I'm still not sure. I presume your book isn't going to leave anyone in any doubt over whether it was written, had always existed, or spontaneously appeared in an explosion. And regarding art and artists - I agree... but If we don't know whether any given work of art was created, always existed, or spontaneously emerged, we can't even say that it is art, never mind interpret the meaning of it.
Of course, this raises the associated question of "What if this universe was just a practice piece?" But that's getting a little silly...
John
I imagine it would lead to some interesting ideas - but can you take this approach if you don't know whether there's an artist in the first place? Where the universe is concerned, we don't know if there's an artist or not - on that issue the universe itself is, it seems to me, silent. I agree that we can try to read nature 'as though' it were the communications or artistic output of a deity. But one thing you would have to say about such a deity (or deities) is that it/he/she/they is/are willing to leave us in the dark about whether or not we and the universe are a part of his/her/their art project. (Perhaps God is hiding so as not to invite too close a relationship with his practice piece...)
There have been a few exhibitions like that (where art is concerned, there have been exhibitions of darn near enything and everything). In those exhibitions, part of the tension came from trying to discover if there had actually ever been an intent behind the piece. But now we're into post-modernism and need those brownies...
This is both true and fair. Perhaps my comment should have been "given a choice between a multiply-retranslated book and a self-evident universe, I'll take the latter as the word of God"?
Yep - which brings us full circle to a central question: "What is man that thou art mindful of him?"
JohnJohn
[1] Whether the errors come from the translation, the interpretation, or the original source is left as an exercise for the student.